The following is an interview conducted by Pat Mustard with Kazimieras Valinčius. Kazmirieras is one of the founders of the Lithuanian Nationalist youth group SKYDAS.
What were the motivations behind the formation of SKYDAS and what are its political objectives?
As of 2011 nationalist organizations have been going downhill in Lithuania or in the very least stagnating. Loss of members, less attention, unproductivity, abandonment of original ideals, outdated methods, reaction, marginalization and poor leadership, these are all synonyms in regards to the previous Lithuanian nationalist scene. This inevitably caused the youth to be disappointed with the ideas themselves as it seemed the cause is hopeless because of the current situation. This is basically why every legal-front nationalist organization is doomed to be controlled opposition, betraying themselves. This group of friends that make up SKYDAS recognized this and realized that there must be a strong, revolutionary, anti-bourgeois alternative. Given the current circumstances, it‘s objectives are more educational; to basically expand the Overton window; get the youth involved with nationalism and fascism, and spreading the ideas through any means possible whether they be legal or illegal.
SKYDAS has been praised for their Aesthetics, and at a recent rally, you marched with a banner bearing the image of our lord and saviour Pepe, attracting the attention of the earnest Jewish Telegraph Agency. What advice would you give to people interested in creating effective propaganda?
Triggering the Jews has become almost a tradition in our marches and we were assured Pepe would catch the attention of Schlomo. Pepe was one way of not restricting ourselves and targeting our fellow youth as a youth organization. As a great man once implied, there must be a variety of ways how you want to get the information across. Depending on the people you’re targeting, choose your methods accordingly. If you plan to target the great lot of people you shouldn’t burden them with too much intellectualism, propaganda is about reaching people’s emotions after all. Effective propaganda is about being precise and hard hitting, but it all depends on what form of media you’re using. A strong slogan, the message, contrast of colours, symmetry, great angles, dominant figure in the center, certain references (again, whether you choose to target the intellectuals or the mass of people, this is where you apply your ‘marketing skills’, deciding which reference to use for which group of people) and style are just some of the things that makes up quality propaganda. Some things outweigh others, it’s better to have poor quality visualization than a lousy message. Visualization should never be looked over even if you have a strong message, this is where SKYDAS shines the brightest. Skydas prides itself in its use of aesthetics in their visual arts. Even the most basic skills in creating pictures or videos with a pinch of effort goes a very long way.
For example, we had a sticker design that had the whole vaporwave style to it and to our surprise a mass of teenagers kept uploading pictures of the sticker on Instagram praising its design, but not really regarding the message. A catchy visual will always guarantee a wider audience; it’s basically advertisement! Every picture counts so better not risk potential recruits.
How successful have you been to date in attracting young people to your cause, and what are your hopes for the future of your movement?
One thing is to be understood –SKYDAS is an autonomous movement without official membership. If you are in line with our ideas and you’re from around here then you’re part of the family.
SKYDAS is attracting the youth because it’s done by the youth. We’re doing excellent. I cannot give away an exact number, but our ranks have more than doubled. It’s only impressive because we’re from a small country where surveillance and especially apathy are surprisingly high. Just like the tendencies in the rest of Europe, where the youth are getting more and more radicalized and nationalistic, it’s a similar case here.
SKYDAS has caught the attention of the authorities and they have started clamping down. What methods have they used to stifle resistance among activists?
They have used almost every trick in the book. There were often cases of the authorities listening in on our conversations and suspicious vehicles following some of the members. There were even instances of the national security services picking up our comrades off the streets to question them. Even today we still find these sneaky undercover men ease-dropping in on our phone calls. This is an elaborate plan to cause paranoia in people who want to be active nationalists. The occasion that we were so bombarded with authority attention was dropping a “9th of May” banner that had a swastika on it, this was only a pretext to crack down on us, with the help of political opponent snitching. So because of the occasion, they got an order to seize any memory storage of some of the members, which they abused by taking more than they were supposed to. From laptops and hard drives to trousers and university notepads. This was followed by interrogations where the interrogators directly or indirectly were threatening with violence, blackmail, and imprisonment for not wanting to give away information. We ended up in court defending our positions only to be ignored and given fines. The whole thing ended with a laptop and some paint cans getting confiscated alongside fines. All of this could have been avoided if certain precautions were taken, but we have learned from our mistakes and we can safely pass this information down to others, as a survival guide in this soon to become Orwellian world. The main aim of the crackdown by the state is to scare off anyone interested in activism.
The rise of White/ethnic nationalism in Europe, America, and Australia has occurred in the context of Mass migration from the third world into historically white nation-states. Lithuania and other Eastern European states have not been subjected to the population replacement project to the extent that others have. Is there a passion amongst the Lithuanian population for a “refugee” policy and immigration from the global south?
They have been subjected to it in a way, but we have lots of stories of these migrants simply using these countries as a pit-stop. Not so long ago we had an occurrence where the economic migrants simply rented a bus and travelled out of the country because it wasn’t economically pleasing enough for them. Lithuanian and other nearby eastern bloc nations are less tolerant towards these floods of migrants probably because they know what it’s like being overrun by another nation and oppressive regime. Just like Jonathan Bowden once said, Eastern Europe has been preserved by the Soviet Union from the degeneracy of the West, but what he failed to mention was that the Soviet Union came with its own degeneracy and hellish forms. Lithuania has one refugee center located almost in the middle of the country. Believe it or not, the center is basically a camp with barbed wire fences and thick walls. The only good thing about our current president is that she’s not letting the same decay of the West erode our nation as fast as it could be. There have been great amounts of effort by the extreme left to create projects of getting people to house refugees in their own homes. Some going to an extent of putting up posters saying “burn the refugee camps, deport the government, refugees welcome”. So yes, I’d say there has been a passion among certain groups to actively support these policies.
In much of the West, institutions like academia and the media are vehemently anti-white and operate as the establishment’s mouthpiece. Tell us about the state of these institutions in Lithuania and is there any support to be found for purely Nationalistic ideas?
Academia here is subject to the same problems as in the west. Students who study things like programming or engineering have to go through “Artes liberales” where they are exposed to left-leaning lecturers. Of course, this is not the case with all of the professors, but most of them always make sure to get their agendas into the minds of the youth. Thankfully it hasn’t gotten to the point where you get thrown out of university for speaking your mind and sometimes you’ll even get the professor to admit that the West sacrifices safety in the name of equality, but the slippery slope is not to be toyed with. A few months back Soros had revived the “The Open Society Fund – Lithuania (OSFL)”, which is mostly used to create an “open society” by local intellectuals.
As for the media, democracy and egalitarianism are ultimately prone to lobbyism and dishonesty. Lithuania is no exception. The articles are often simply bought and the authors misinterpret facts on purpose. It’s a challenge trying to maintain a straight face watching the broadcast news. For instance, during the Trump campaign, the news channels focused on rumours about Trump’s past and displayed ‘funny’ YouTube remixes of Trump’s speeches, instead of trying to be as objective as possible. The two annual nationalist marches are always a treat to the lugenpresse which just loves to use buzzwords to discredit any form of non-patriotism to the current regime.
There are always places where people write nationalistic articles, but our law forbids any kind of propagation of national-socialist ideas or use of its symbols so you can face up to years in prison or fines for any kind of hate speech or praise of national-socialism. There are of course social media places where people simply use precautions to not be traced, such as SKYDAS, who do not wish to give up any of their ideas just to stay in the rims of legality. We will not play by the rules of the system to become the controlled opposition.
What are your feelings towards the European Union, Brexit and do you favour any form of European common policy?
The European Union is not what it was upon its creation, it has morphed and shape-shifted throughout the years. We despise the European Union in its current form or any form that would bring harm to the European folk, their blood, uniqueness, well-being, and spirituality. It’s an entity that has power over my country and forces its policies upon it. Brexit among other things is a sign of the system collapsing. We believe the Europe of the future should be made up of sovereign, unique and autarchic nations, but we realize that these European nations will not be able to survive by themselves when the surrounding regions haven’t pursued the same fate. A military and an economic union will be necessary when we pass the tipping point when Europe is ruled by National Socialists and Identitarians and we’ll be put in a position where we will have to compete with other regions for a place under the sun.
As for economic common policy, some nations are simply not capable to live off of their own natural resources, thus these countries would have to have import and export as part of their economic plans. Fascism is known to be adaptive to its circumstances and the nation it is being used by. But one thing is clear – that any nation should always base their economic policies on autarchy as much as it can. We support the idea of no-more-brother–wars, which is self-explanatory why we would be in favour of a military union among European nations. Just as stated before, we would have to fend off the advances of other regions and so a military alliance among European states would be necessary.
Like all other White nations, the population of Lithuania is ageing and declining in overall numbers. The collapse of marriage and the Nuclear family is largely, but not solely to blame. How do these institutions fare in Lithuania today?
Lithuanians still hold a pretty traditional view of the family today. In the past families would have lots of children not out of tradition, but because more children meant more hands on the plough. People here can’t afford to raise more than two children and those who can afford simply do not wish to do so, as they don’t want to sacrifice their leisure and money out of hedonism. Of course, marriage was always a thing and is still to this day. Yet the main problem with the Lithuanian population is emigration rather than simple European tier birth rates. During the last 13 years, our country has lost more than 500,000 people, which is about more than 16 percent of the country’s population. Mostly economic factors determined these numbers, low pensions, poor wages, huge taxes etc. But in my opinion, a lot more influenced this outcome; our fathers having to grow up in the Soviet Union would fall for the tendency to fetishize everything that’s from the west.
What’s opposite of the Soviet Union? The West!
What’s opposite of a corrupt totalitarian socialist? A jean jacket hippy, of course!
And so the boomer generation thrust most fads that came from the West onto their own children. After gaining independence there was a glimmer of hope in everyone‘s eye that now things will be different and we‘ll catch up to the West. But children growing up see the differences between the ever-so-close to one another countries of the West and countries of the East, they grow up seeing these rich westerners on social media and they know they will probably never have anything like it living here.
The only good thing about this emigration is that ethnic minorities are the majority of emigrants, because they don‘t have as many attachments here as an average Lithuanian would have.
Lithuania was the last European nation to officially convert to Christianity. Today there is a growing Pagan movement. How susceptible are they to our ideas and are Pagans well represented among SKYDAS and other Nationalist groups?
Yes, you cannot consider Lithuanian identity and paganism separate. The Lithuanian state was formed as a reaction to the invading Christian orders that were fuelled by the rest of Christian Europe. Throughout our history, one thing never changed and that is resistance. Through this resistance to Christianity, we managed to defeat the Crusaders, become the biggest country in Europe and also the strongest pagan state in Europe, this lasted until the early 15th century when the baptism of ethnic Lithuanian lands was complete. Yet the use of paganism only fell out of use in the 19th century and was quickly later revived during the interwar when the fascist coup d’état happened and nationalists took interest in reviving it. So even today do people pride themselves in the fact that we were the last to give into the Christian invasion. The same type of resistance can be observed when Lithuania was occupied by the Soviet Union which resulted in one of the biggest partisan resistances known to Europe. So relating to the question pagans here are naturally ethnic nationalists as paganism is seen as more native than Christianity. The group of people that founded SKYDAS are all pagan, and now that SKYDAS is a larger group we have also active Christian nationalists. We try to discuss these things among ourselves given the opportunity, but we do not see a reason to discriminate on the basis if someone is a Christian or a pagan, we have a common struggle and common enemies.